Paul Heyman on Brock Lesnars Historic Run and Wrestlings Next Evolution


Some people misinterpret Paul Heymans onscreen barking as bluster. But its more like a dramatic extension of the defiance instilled by his Holocaust-survivor mother and Navy vet (turned prominent attorney) father. In life, the 49-year-old wrestling promoter, broadcaster and TV villain vocally advocates for family, loyalty and appreciating the complexity of every individuals historical narrative. That latter attribute is perhaps why hes always seemed to intuit the nuances of sports-entertainment storytelling so well.

Inside the ring, he channels that indignation and elevates it into epic oratory on behalf of his designated clients, such as current WWE World Heavyweight Champion Brock Lesnar, who puts his title on the line against John Cena and Seth Rollins in a triple-threat match this Sunday at the Royal Rumble. On Monday nights Raw, Heyman watched as Lesnar the man known as the Beast Incarnate laid waste to a large portion of the WWEs upper echelon, but the week before, in a compelling contract-signing segment (words not typically adjoined) designed to hype the pay-per-view, it was Heymans capacity to move the crowd that took center stage. And it was no accident.

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What happened there was I was watching on the monitor, and you look at whos in the ring, Heyman recalls. You have John Cena, the top name in this industry for the past 10 years. You have Triple H and all of his accomplishments. You have Stephanie McMahon standing there. You have the Big Show standing there. And you have Seth Rollins, who is in my opinion the single best in-ring performer in the world today. Undisputed. And youre about to have Brock Lesnar and Paul Heyman join this group.

So were standing [backstage] waiting for Brocks music to play, and I looked at him and said, You know, you can barely tell the players without a scorecard. And Brock said, Say that,' he continues. And I did, because I figured before this all breaks down into some spectacular scenario, why dont we let everyone here understand exactly what theyre looking at, and by the way, listen to the people whose names Im calling out, because theyre all A-listers. Why not take that moment to catch your breath and realize this is an all-star cast in front of your eyes?

And if theres one thing Heymans qualified to assess, its magnetism. He was the one drawn to CM Punk and who vouched for his place within the WWE. He was the one who recognized that Lesnar, as he puts it, likely never sat down for a moment in his life, biting his fingernails, saying, Gee, I wonder if Im gonna make it.' But even prior to that, he saw the future in unconventional bruisers like the Dudley Boyz, and countless other homegrown talents who gained exposure under Heymans fabled Extreme Championship Wrestling promotion in the mid-to-late 1990s. And lets not forget it was Heyman who resuscitated jettisoned WCW midcarder Steve Austins career by allowing him to plant the seeds for his future Stone Cold persona with ECW.

Still, not everyone clicks and sticks, and some so-called Paul Heyman guys (a classification WWE programming has noticeably steered away from in recent months), particularly Cesaro and Curtis Axel, didnt quite complement their storyline mentor. Thats a fact Heyman doesnt deny, but he views it more as a symptom of his singular unions with Lesnar and Punk than any indictment of Axel or Cesaros abilities.

I think the bar was set so high with the chemistry that Brock and I have, and the chemistry that Punk and I had, that it would be very difficult to match that, he says frankly. Its not just a situation of, Stick manager A with wrestler B. Especially when youre shooting for the top. Ive never walked through the curtain with someone I wasnt trying to audition as a WrestleMania main-eventer, and I never want to. And Im sure the performers Ive worked with didnt want to have an advocate whose goal was anything less. But sometimes the chemistry just isnt there.

That very dynamic he shares with Lesnar assures Heyman hes accomplished something unprecedented since last years WrestleMania, when the Beast ended the Undertakers vaunted Mania winning streak. He understands people wanting more of his client on a regular basis, but asserts that with time and hindsight, the myth of Lesnars current run the paucity of his TV appearances notwithstanding will speak for itself.

If you look back on WWE 20 years from now, I would suggest the two most newsworthy matches [of this past year] were Brock Lesnar conquering the Undertakers undefeated streak at WrestleMania, and the most one-sided, uncontested beatdown of a top star in history when Brock hit John Cena with 16 suplexes and crushed him at SummerSlam, he enthuses. I dont think anything else, from a historical perspective, can hold water to those two.

We can debate that point (and surely will) endlessly, but Heyman does understand and sympathize with the WWE audiences expectations for the product, whether in relation to their champions TV schedule or how other talent is being utilized. Nor would he deter them from being vocal in expressing their displeasure (never mind that would be awfully disingenuous from such an outspoken figure). The fact that he views his own performance on Raw from week-to-week as an audition to appear on the next show is a microcosm of how he feels fans should hold the entire broadcast accountable.

I dont think the fanbase should ever compromise. They should demand the best product they can get for their money and for their attention, he says. Im not one of those people that sits there and says, My God, what does the audience really want? The audience wants something that entertains them, and whether that entertainment is in the form of a physical match or in the form of a skit or video or promo, its our job to deliver it to them, to the point where the audience becomes the biggest champion of our brand. And if we cant match that, then were falling short.

So when talking with the man who helped hasten wrestlings late-Nineties rush to innovation and introduced two of the ensuing decades most captivating performers in Lesnar and Punk, the more pertinent question to ask might not be, How is WWE doing lately? but rather, Whats next?

For that answer, Heyman need look no further than his own 10-and-12-year-old children whom he affectionately observes never turn on a television in deference to their smartphones and tablets.

The next evolution of the business wont be the actual content or presentation, but the manner in which the business and the content is distributed, he offers. I would suggest to you that [with] todays distribution channels, which are smartphones and other handheld accessories, that the product will skew younger in the next couple of years, because thats going to be the audience.

Its at this point that Heyman reflects on a New York apartment he lived in some time ago. The residence was furnished with so many TV sets he says it was like the movie Network. Hes audibly aghast at how quaint that kind of monolithic entertainment center seems today, and wonders if its a metaphor for whether the culture and the increasingly volatile pro-wrestling business threatens to pass him by.

Fortunately for Heyman, itll have to go through Brock Lesnar first.

I dont know if the audience understands the history thats unfolding before their eyes at the moment, he says. But its really not something that either I or Brock spend or time worrying about. Because if youre worrying about how historys going to view you, youre not out there taking the next steps.